Discussion in 'Closed Staff Applications' started by Mewthree, Dec 24, 2016.
Neutral currently, i think I have meet you once or twice in the year and a few months that I have been playing, maybe we can fully meet and see how you are.
I'd like to start this off with my vote, and why, and then elaborate after, as opposed to how I usually do things...
I absolutely give you NO support to become an Administrator, I don't believe you can be trusted in such a role, and overall, I don't believe you fully care about the community.
Ever since you joined you've been surrounded and involved with trouble, and trouble-making. Most of the time it wasn't you at the helm, you were simply there watching, but you would constantly be there nonetheless. It has become apparent to me that you would constantly turn a blind eye to those you involved yourself with, and those you were friends with. I understand that someone wouldn't want to rat their friends out, but there was far more happening in front of you than just a rare RDM or Fear RP, but you seemed to have kept silent. Is that acceptable? The way I see it, you felt that having fun with and keeping relationships with rulebreakers was more important to you than the health and friendliness of the community. This is not only a massive red flag just in the essence of it, but as someone applying for a position of Staff, why should anyone expect you to remain as unbiased as possible?
Speaking of bias, i'm worried that you may display it in the opposite way as well, targeting those that you dislike. Not accusing you of this one, but I would have to say that it is a concern of mine.
I must say that you do seem to care about the server/community, but from all the knowledge I have of you, you care more about having fun, fucking around, and about your 'friends' and what they think of you than you do about Chronet. It would be a mistake to accept you as a Trial Administrator.
This is completely off topic from the thread at hand, so I hope to not spawn a chain or replies from this, but, I don't believe you have enough, if any information regarding any part of the demotion to even bring up whether or not the demotion was valid. Information was kept private, and I highly doubt you caught wind of all of it, if any, so you wouldn't know what the demotion was even in regards to, nor should you particularly. I will not discuss whether or not the demotion was "bullshit", nor is it my place to, but I will say this: Do not make such a judgement with little to no (in total) information regarding the whole demotion.
I could be wrong, perhaps you managed to know everything, to which, you know more than I, but I highly doubt that you do. In any case, I request that if you wish to talk about this, take it elsewhere, this thread is not the place for this discussion.
The little things add up. Not to mention most of what I brought up is either in your app or common knowledge. To you small things may not matter but to some they do and based on the overall responses from the community they care as well, especially given that almost all of your support came from the players you allegedly were distancing yourself from.
-1 because of past experiences. You told me and my friends that you were going to raid us every 30 minutes so good luck basing. I wish you good luck on becoming admin because I don't think the odds are in your favor.
Most of the time it wasn't you, but as provided in previous posts in this thread, as well as your ban history, you certainly participated every now and again (and before you point it out, yes, your latest ban was from a year ago, I understand).
I'd say in a lot of cases, that didn't quite suffice... If i'm to understand, until you become an admin (if you do), you would still do this, rather than alert an admin of a rule break, or try other methods?
I'm not saying you wouldn't, but it would be hard to convince me, and even harder to convince others.
I am aware that I certainly hold some bias, it'd be inhuman to not, however I do my best to think logically and remain as impartial when making certain decisions (such as Ban Requests before I was an admin, bans, warnings, kicks, slays, etc now). Honestly, I don't typically care if the person is my friend or not, what I do care about is how they act, their respect for the rules/server/community, their record, their attitude, etc. This is what I looked at when gauging on how to decide what to do with said person since I've been a part of Chronet. I had plenty of friends back in the day (before I was an admin) who hated me because I threatened to post ban requests or call an admin if they did not stop rulebreaking (it's worth mentioning that they never did any serious rulebreaks). However, I don't believe I ever had to, because IIRC they almost always stopped. I treated strangers, or even those I disliked, that I had no reason to believe were minges, the same.
There have been plenty of people that I personally despise who I have unbanned, because they justifiably deserved to be. And plenty of people that i'd personally not want to ban, I have banned.
One thing worth bringing up, other admin applications. You didn't rate a previous admin application of a friend because you stated:
If you hold so much bias that you feel incapable of giving a fair opinion on whether or not someone should be given admin, you should not be an admin.
And, in case you were to ask a similar question, of whether or not I have looked at friends/strangers/people I dislike in the same way. I don't look at whether they're a friend, I look at whether or not they would be overall helpful or overall detrimental to the server and community, based on past experiences, attitude, bias, etc...
For example, I was first brought to this server by two people in particular, one of which later posted an admin application. I ended up -1ing his application, even though we were good friends at the time, because honestly, I didn't believe he would make a good admin.
If you can't give an honest opinion on something, with as little bias as you can do, then I have little hope in believing that you can effectively do your duty as part of our Staff.
I would have to ask what you mean by "harsher", I assume you mean in terms of punishment? But like aforementioned, there are multiple factors that I take into account. If you have two people who mass RDM'd, one with no ban record, who clearly shows no intent to follow the rules, and doesn't care about the server/community, and you have someone who has a decent record, but genuinely apologized to those affected, and went out of there way to reimburse them before an admin even got involved, as well as having friendly attitude while playing, I would say that the first person is more deserving of a harsher punishment.
Punishments are very situational.
I said I don't believe you fully care, I didn't say you didn't care, at least, not in this application.
But which one has priority over the other?
Someone can want admin, and work for it, but not care about the server or community...
I would argue that Sage's Teamspeak, and perhaps Aidcon's (I believe he has his own?), as well as potential others are communities in there own right.
If you fully cared, you wouldn't see it as wasting your time. If you ask me at least. Every moment spent improving the community is time well spent, not wasted.
I leave you with a question:
When some of your friends/acquaintances decided to use alts, dox, hack, etc, were you aware of it?
Threatening to ruin people's gameplay experiences with the promises of constant raids, as well as barraging people with insults, and from what I could tell, your general attitude to anyone that isn't a friend of yours, would say otherwise. Your bans aside.
But, alas, these are all just some mistakes that we should turn a blind eye to, or it was a joke, or it shouldn't matter because you shouldn't be judged based on how you act... Right?
You acknowledged right here that you were making the experiences of others worse.... AKA being Toxic.
Yes, but the fact remains that you didn't rate his application because you felt you were too biased towards him. Right?
It's not concerning, the concern is over which one you hold the most priority. Almost all of your previous actions have dictated to the community that you hold priority of your friends over the health of the community. The fact that you don't even see the possible concern here is alarming to me.
To spell it out clearly: I am not under the belief that, should you become an administrator, you would perform your role justly, I am under the believe that you would let bias and friendship get in the way of properly administrating the community.
And when exactly did you start to care? I mean, you claim that you care, and your time, suggestions, etc spent shows it... But you stated this in a previous post:
So.... What, a few months ago? How many exactly? And since that time of caring about the community, how much time would that be exactly, and how many suggestions, and ban requests, etc? I'm guessing, quite a lot less than the overall.
(See above point)
And i'd like to bring something else up, regarding some previous posts made in this thread... And the hypocrisy of it all...
"Turning a blind-eye", you've edited, and redefined what you had meant regarding this. You don't believe that the 'petty' stuff should affect what people think of your admin app... This 'petty' stuff being "mugging, raiding, me calling an admin on rulebreakers, the list goes on", is flaming, general toxicity, disrespect, etc involved in that? Because from what i've read, you've done a lot of that, but IIRC you don't think it should affect your application.
Let's look at some things that, perhaps we should turn a blind eye to, shall we?
How about we start off with things that have happened months ago, since time has passed, maybe you've changed. Right?
For example, months ago you said some toxic things, flamed/disrespected some people, how much exactly, isn't entirely certain, but some certainly happened, as shown by previous posts/pictures. Should we turn a blind eye to this?
What about months ago, when you didn't care about the community, and you admit you were toxic (as I pointed out at the beginning of this reply) with your actions on the server, ruining the gameplay of others by raiding/mugging constantly. Should we turn a blind eye to this?
And, perhaps i'm the only one to point this out, but, you seem to lose your cool occasionally, and when you do, you become quite rude, and flame wars tend to ensue in the chatbox... At least, that's my take on what i've seen, but I could be wrong. If it's true however, should we turn a blind eye to it?
Now... Let me just bring out some examples of, what I see to be hypocrisy:
So you -1'd him because he was upset over being raided, and that his opinion of you and your friends, was that you break rules, and that he didn't like you. Not to mention, that was an incident months before the post.
But... If you get upset at someone, hold a grudge, have a tantrum (such as when your name was changed), or accuse people of breaking rules... Perfectly ok, and it shouldn't affect how people see your application?
And, Soulturtle having a negative opinion of a person/group is part of that -1, but yet, you preach about how it's important of how you should be able to be vocal regarding your opinions of things and people, right?
Ok, sure, Medic was banned for this... But let's focus mainly on that bottom quote:
"First impression are important. Unfortunately you did not make a good first impression."
Let's also keep in mind that your first impression of Medic was around half a year before your post there, shall we?
Now, I don't know about you, but i'm pretty confident that the majority of people -1ing your application, including myself, not only had a bad first impression, but second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh... So on and so forth....
You held onto your first Impression of medic ~6 Months prior. But you don't think anyone here should hold onto their first impression of you, right?
Perhaps i've misread something, but I don't believe I have... And if I haven't, this sure seems like an applicant chock full of hypocrisy and foolishness. I hope that's not the case, I sincerely do.
But you're just not convincing me enough when you say you've changed, or that you're caring, or that we should turn a blind eye, forgive you, or any of it.
Sorry for making this post so long winded, but I wanted to include as much detail as possible.
This certainly clears up a few things.
Anyways, for the time being, I am still sticking with that -1.
Lol, seeing "Mewthree Admin Application" actually made me chuckle alittle bit. I think that should be a bad sign. Honestly, I like the kid, but I don't think he would make a very good admin. Back when I was active he was toxic towards me and other players. The only times he has ever been nice to me or anyone frankly is on the forums. -1
I wouldn't mind him being a forum moderator... but think he would one be very lenient towards his friends and second kinda is one of those memer kids who get mad super easily.
Changed my opinion
-1 Do to what you have said in the chat box
+1. I could care less for what he said in the chat box. I'm not the one that's gonna go and complain about something that happened a while ago if it isn't a big deal. And truthfully its not. I thought he was another player ingame, but found out I was wrong on that fact. He seems like someone who isn't fake or has time for bullshit. This is a admin chronet needs, because lots of things happen. And if they can happen efficiently then I think that would be nicer so more people can have their issues resolved. He is fit for the job, and would not let everyone here down. Do you really think that what he said in the chat box is really gonna say something about him. I belive this is some real petty stuff to try to smear him on this issue. No one is perfect and we need to realize that, even admins. I would disregard the chatbox thing because its the chatbox, and it isn't a big issue at all.
+1 Kind, active player in my opinion. I would think it would be great for you to be admin. I don't know what Fianllys comment is even talking about because you are a great mature player.
Aye well have a good day!
So I have seen my named mentioned in a couple post so I guess I will break my promise and respond.
We actually cleared this up.
I am not going to act like I have somehow made up with you. I hold a grudge against you. Not the Ronsons. I don't have a problem with them and I never really had. A couple of my best friends on the server are Ronsons. I have always stood neutral with the Ronsons. The grudge that I hold I don't think will ever change. I will admit that you disliked me so much even before you got to know me and just judging by my voice. I am not going to act like I just pushed this off my and forgot. For a couple months I would literally not go on the server if you were there because of how much I feared getting put down by you. It ruined my experience on the server for a while. And you were the reason I took such a long break. (other than me being in the hospital) I would even call what you did cyber bullying. I felt worse after meeting you in the server and you were the reason I became so self-conscious of my voice and how I sounded. So much so that I rarely talk on the server unless prompted to. I was not surprised when you -1'd my application. I already knew you were going to. We have never really like each at all. I don't think since that point that I would have ever seen you post an app. From your ban record to how you treat other players on the server.
Alright thats enough for me ranting again.
(I know that I already posted about some of this but I think it needs more light.)
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