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Community Management Complaint: Chance.

Discussion in 'Staff Complaints' started by Brunnea, Oct 22, 2017.

  1. Brunnea

    Brunnea Retired Staff Member

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    Admin In-Game Name: Chance
    Steam ID of Admin: STEAM_0:0:34165726
    Approximate Time and Date of Incident: This takes place over the course of a year and a half roughly, so there’s your time and date.
    Any proof (Screenshots, videos, console logs, etc): Will be provided all-throughout.
    Your complaint:


    The short of it: Chance has proven himself to be immature, incapable of understanding that he must follow the rules alongside the community, and inable to make proper decisions.


    I’ll go with this in a step-by-step/point-by-point so no one gets lost. Evidence will be provided as I go or placed along the bottom of the post if it gets to be too much. There will be a small thing noted at the bottom full of things that did not fit into their own points but I’d like to have it be said regardless. Here we go.


    Point 1 – Chance is immature/does not act his age.

    Anyone who’s been around this community for a while probably has run into Chance one time or another. The running theme of when asked about Chance, many people(especially recently) would say he’s an unfit representative of this community. I’d have to agree with this.

    Chance has proven time and time again that although he is an adult by years, he’s not an adult by spurs. You can tell this by just looking at how he types and handles situations.
    From an uncaring attitude to a blatant display of disrespect for the rules he’s being expected to enforce, it’s a miracle that he was even considered as a candidate for community management.

    This is very clearly demonstrated in a not-that-recent stunt he pulled while in the position of Community Management, where even fellow Admins were telling him to stop. But did he?
    Of course not, if he did I wouldn’t be bringing it up.

    This complaint speaks for itself.

    But if you go back even farther to last May, when Chance was caught playing porn over his microphone and being disruptive with it.

    Even Stiggy told him to cut it out and Chance tried to excuse his actions as a bloody joke, instead of owning up to it and accepting that he did something wrong.


    These and so many more instances have occurred where he’ll not take things seriously or act like a professional. He’s been doing this for literal years.
    A good example of unprofessionality: His handling of Scorp’s complaint on him.

    Now I’m not gonna sit here and say Scorp was completely justified in this, but you have to admit that the way Chance handled it even when he was in the right was appalling.


    I understand you like to joke around and whatnot(I’m guilty of this myself – When I was a player and when I was a Trial), but there’s a point where you have to suck it up and act like an adult.

    When faced with criticism about his immaturity, Chance deflects and begins whining about how unfair it all is, and has once if I recall claimed he was being targeted. Don’t quote me on that.
    In the first complaint I brought up, it’s on full-fucking-display.

    And this ties into a sub-point to this that isn’t an actual sub-point:
    He’s supposed to represent this community as a CM and set an example.
    Look at this beautiful piece of bullshit.
    Is this really what you lot what people to see when they look at the antics of Staff on Chronet? I sure wouldn’t.


    Point 2 – Chance doesn’t seem to understand rules.

    This ties back into the complaints I brought up before and I’ll bring up again.

    Something that was drilled into me from the start of my Trial was that I had to follow the rules along with enforcing them. Did I fuck up? You betcha. But who lectured me on it?

    Chance. Of course.

    This will tie into my third point, so I’ll gloss over it for now.
    As you may all recall, I fucked up royally on three accounts involving this rule:

    9. Players may not kill, or attempt to kill, other players without a realistically acceptable reason.
    9.2.3. Someone asked you to.


    I owned up to it and tried to improve upon myself, and Chance as CM had every right to put me in my place. However, Chance himself proved himself to be a hypocrite in this situation alongside myself, as he has been prone to breaking this rule, and even in our conversation said that it was a dumb rule that you shouldn’t ban for, along with Aluminum.

    Now disagreeing with a rule is one thing, but when I brought up a point something along the lines of- “Alright, then why not make sure the staff are enforcing the rules correctly? Make sure the system is currently working, [...] keep the staff in line […] have the staff all be on the same page when it comes to rules?”

    I believe the answer I received was something like, “We can’t do that so we won’t even try.”
    Of course that’s paraphrase, but it was in essence a lame excuse to not keep the staff in line. Except for me, it seemed. But that’s for another point.

    Apart from this and the other complaints, there have been a few other situations hither and thither that I’ve heard of but wasn’t there, so I can’t say it was entirely true. Not to mention, I need the character space for the next two and final points.


    Point 3 – Chance is incapable of making proper decisions[Addendum], or being responsible.

    Yeah, had to add that last bit. I’m aware it’s a little redundant but bear with.
    I’m going to use sub-points for this and try to keep it clean.

    Rundown: Chance has a fucking record longer than my arm of shoddy decision making, lame excuses, and shifting the blame/throwing others under the bus. I like to think I’m decent enough proof of that(And before someone goes, “Brunnea you’re being too personal therefore this point is false” lemme just stop you and say, “Yeah and?”).


    Subpoint A.) Impending threats.

    So, I’m sure some of you were aware of a certain photo leak tied to myself. Well, here’s the fun part of that: I knew it was coming, and the instant I caught wind of how close it was, I took it to Staff.
    I knew Scorp was going to do it within the week at least(and whaddya know it did), so I was very, very, nervous.

    I first went to Kai and Chance, Kai was away so Chance responded. I was relieved and expected my old-time friend to help a sister out.
    I did have evidence at some point, but I’ve since lost it. I did however show it to Kai and he handled it at the time. But I’m bringing it up now to prove a point.

    Chance, with the tactfulness of a dying llama with parkinsons, gave me a very reassuring message of(And I’m quoting off of memory here): wow, a facebook, very scary. what’s he gonna do with that?
    This lead to a very short conversation of me being a lot more panicked than I should’ve been, and Chance telling me he wasn’t going to do anything about it.

    Fantastic decision-making there, but the buck doesn’t stop.


    CONTINUING IN SECOND POST-
     
  2. Brunnea

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    Sub-point B.) The Jazzu and its ya boy troi incident.

    I’m gonna keep this short: If you just look at the responses on those appeals, and their track record you’ll understand the frustrations.

    In response to me making an ass out of myself and being a hypocrite after the fact, Chance undid two permanent bans that I had gotten permission to do from TWO other FULL staff. The reason for it was very, very, eloquently put.



    The phrasing was so nice you almost couldn’t tell he was throwing me under the bus.

    In this decision he had pulled in a third administrator that hadn’t been involved in this at all, and then took an answer from Kai who at the time was high off of his ass. In no condition to make a decision like this. That following morning Kai even said he would’ve told Chance to not turn it over had he known who the players were and, y’know. Sober.

    But even though Chance KNEW Kai was out of it, and even when I ACCUSED him of taking the word of an inebriated admin, he stood by it and proceeded to overturn the bans.

    Even after Troi cussed out Muffin and myself for a mutual decision(Oh, to clarify: They weren’t permanent at first. The other two staff had extended them. Funny that) on it, and flamed her to the point where others would receive a forum/community ban, nothing was done.

    A prediction had been made that if these two were to be unbanned, that I would become a target for harassment, on and off the server. By jove, they were right. Because I had been cast out like a defective child, the playerbase knew I was fair game. It’s not rocket science to figure that one out. Had the phrasing been different, maybe it wouldn’t’ve been so bad. But what can you do.


    Sub-point C.) Promotions and demotions.

    This one will be dicey, I know, but it still deserves a mention at least.
    I am very biased when I say this, but others have agreed with me when I had brought it up.

    I’m sure it’s no secret that the promotions and demotions were a knee-jerk response to not having a substantial enough Staff Team and, you know, other issues.
    I am very aware I wasn’t a perfect staff blah blah blah I’m the worst shoot me in the asshole, that’s not what I’m criticizing. If it were just a, “Chance has done the same and worse than I so why am I demoted and he not” then it would be falling on deaf ears.

    My issue was how it happened.

    The full staff were not contacted about this, at all, and even when they asked to be brought in the discussion when the CMs and Simple were all talking, they were brushed off. First red flag.

    Kai told me himself he didn’t advocate for my demotion, and I was told by a few staff that I was only to be held back from promotion, not demoted.
    Now, this is all from what I’ve gathered, I am very open to being wrong. But I’d rather it came from the horse’s mouth and not the dying llama with parkinsons.

    But from what I’ve gathered Chance was able to overrule everyone and have me be demoted.

    Thatisaverybigredflag.jpg

    One against everyone else was able to make a very important decision, on the basis of he would talk to me beforehand.
    A day and a half later I’m finally notified.
    I’ll let the screenshots speak for themselves:
    https://gyazo.com/3e09858a786caca21ba9dad8bd63126b
    https://gyazo.com/a88d696830b94b2d46aa40e09daf1a9d
    https://gyazo.com/77e15cf4a2a60c8d8c41feb67b84e59a
    https://gyazo.com/99b54ed18a11d09be99b9f3177c5eb9c


    A full day after and all I could think was, “This is complete bullshit, and damage control at that.”

    I’d also like for you to look at the timestamps of those messages. I’m about to go to bed, and that’s when it’s most convenient for me to be told why I wasn’t clued in on my fate? Come on man.

    That on top of not being told to cut anything out recently, and in fact being in the dark makes me slightly worried for other staff. Because of this can happen to me, you bet your ass it can happen to you.

    I’ll probably go into this with more detail but character limit.

    Point 4 – Everything else!

    Lil’ point 1: I remember when I was first friends with Chance, and not a week or two after we became good friends he told me he wanted to resign. Now I obviously went, “Aw man don’t do that you’ve got so much here”, to which he went on in detail what he’d do(this is obviously out of date but it was repeated a while before he was promoted to CM as well so l o l):

    “I’m gonna unban as many people as possible before they demote me. Everyone.”
    Have no evidence but I’ve told so many people this story already for so long I honestly don’t care at this point. It’s common knowledge.

    Lil’ point 2: During the newest Trial batch’s little bootcamp day, Chance told Hima Lowa that “[Chance] was the only reason [Hima] was promoted to Trial”, basically telling him to kiss his ass because he owed Chance that favor.

    Lil’ point 3: That Quigly thing sure turned out swell. Chance gets accused of leaking things from the forum, doesn’t provide evidence to back himself up on why he’s innocent. Of course I have no idea how that panned out, except for, well, ha.

    Lil’ point 4: This is just funny.

    [​IMG]

    Threatening me over something petty. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba, I’m lovin’ it.


    So that’s that jack, I’ll go into more detail as required. I await this thread’s deletion.
    --- Post updated ---
    Thank you @Deaconator for being a team-player.
     
  3. Chance

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    I wonder why you don't have admin anymore.
     
  4. Brunnea

    Brunnea Retired Staff Member

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    And I wonder why you're still one.


    I'm aware I'm talking to a bunch of dead fish, but you do realize that this adds into one of the points I brought up, si?
     
  5. Chance

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    I do and, ill add another one - I don't care, simply because since you got demoted you became a drama queen or maybe you've always been one? I'm having fun, can you say the same?

    you're literally just another problem child of Chronet, and yes we have a list and you're on it lmao - I got nothin else to say but I know you do in your hidden discord channel of where you bitch and moan about people you don't like.
     
  6. Brunnea

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    Sweet mother I didn't even have to bring up the point of being immature.

    You're doing it for me.
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    A'ight you know what, since I know no one is gonna respond to this seriously, just leave it up and open.

    Someone'll contact me if I'm ever required.


    Cheers, fucks.
    --- Post updated ---
    Because people wanted this address directly:




    Now, I'm gonna hazard a guess and away that you're gonna use the excuse of "I was having fun", instead of taking it like a mature and well spoken adult.
     
  7. Brunnea

    Brunnea Retired Staff Member

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    @Chance have you read this in its entirety/plan on doing so?

    Respond to the concerns brought up?
     
  8. Mooo

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    i lowkey feel like Brunnea is just mad cuz he/she got demoted.
    there are some valid points though.
     
  9. Brunnea

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    [​IMG]

    This was concerning the complaint I currently still have up on Porter.

    This is a minor quip but all the same: Be thorough and do your job yourself.

    A very concerning pattern I see with Chance is that he opts for the easy way instead of putting in any effort.


    Nah. I'm petty on occasion but not that petty.
    --- Post updated ---
    Now he randomly locked Loxxy's admin application.


    @Chance ?
     
  10. Brunnea

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  11. Brunnea

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    Because that would require digging through 30,000+ images in 2 different files.


    Not worth it.
     
  12. Brunnea

    Brunnea Retired Staff Member

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    He won't.

    Because the original screenshot/evidence of it, I gave to Kai.
    When it happened.

    He has yet to properly respond, so I doubt he'll respond at all to this.
     
  13. Brunnea

    Brunnea Retired Staff Member

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    I'm aware.

    I'm not the type to sit idly by, however.
     
  14. Brunnea

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    Not quite.
     
  15. Satoshi Mochida [LP]

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    I was pretty iffy when Chance became CM so I was kind of expecting this. Sorry that your pic for leaked too.
     
  16. Brunnea

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    Er, thanks.